Timing strobe light

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My old strobe died so I borrowed another. This one has a dial on it to advance the timing. Im clueless as to what this is for and how it works. Seems to me that setting this at zero is the way to go. Can somebody explain the obvious to an increasingly dense old man?
 
The dial is probably to allow you to set degrees of advance while pointing the strobe directly at TDC, (or some other reference point). I must admit I do not find this feature very useful with my bikes. However, with my MG MGC, the timing marks on the front of the timing chain cover only go up to 10 degrees btdc. At idle, my car is happiest at approx 15 degrees btdc. So, I set the timing strobe to 15 degrees of advance and set the timing so the light points directly to TDC.
 
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You don't need a scale on the engine, just aTDC Mark. You set the advance you want in the timing light and observe if the TDC marks line up at whatever advance/RPM you want to check. It's more accurate than the usual "scale" on the engine. I seldom use the engine scale, just timing light adjustment.
 
OK will do, thanks.
I notice they now sell strobe lights with a tachometer on the gun so you can watch the pointer whilst bringing the engine speed up to whatever you must have. Otherwise you need two people one to run the throttle , the other to watch the pointer.
 
A gun with advance can be used to determine set/check timing at idle and when the scale doesnt have markings for desired degrees. You just watch for pointer to hit a TDC mark while you change the strobe flash degrees. Then you have a degree reading at the idle rpm. Not important for our bikes which only have a single advance curve mechanism, but many cars have multiple advance controls like vacuum advance, distributor weighted mechanical advance etc.
 
Onder said:
OK will do, thanks.
I notice they now sell strobe lights with a tachometer on the gun so you can watch the pointer whilst bringing the engine speed up to whatever you must have. Otherwise you need two people one to run the throttle , the other to watch the pointer.
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What a blindingly obvious and brilliant idea !!
 
Im sure somebody will tell me that they can tell the rpm by ear as they crouch over the timing window
shining the strobe and watching the moving line on the rotor. :-)
I have noticed it is a lot easier on a Triumph which has no chain driven cams.
 
Onder said:
Im sure somebody will tell me that they can tell the rpm by ear as they crouch over the timing window
shining the strobe and watching the moving line on the rotor. :-)
I have noticed it is a lot easier on a Triumph which has no chain driven cams.
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If you want to contradict me, there’s no need to be obscure about it.

On common Boyers and Wassell ignitions, you're supposed to rev it up to 5000. You can open the throttle until it reaches 5000 on the tacho, then look at the timing mark and pointer, holding the twistgrip steady. You’ll know by the sound of the (roaring) engine if you’ve inadvertently let the revs vary.

The last thing I want in the shed is other people “helping.”
 
I like the idea of the tach/strobe. Last time I timed the Norton my wife was in charge of the throttle control and calling out tach readings. I had to work fast as she was rapidly losing interest...
 
Onder said:
Im sure somebody will tell me that they can tell the rpm by ear as they crouch over the timing window
shining the strobe and watching the moving line on the rotor. :-)
I have noticed it is a lot easier on a Triumph which has no chain driven cams.
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You can go to Youtube and open a video with a metronome clicking away at speeds in 100 beat intervals... and it's a much better way to set your idle rpm than,... using a spinning cable that turns a magnet which induces a semi-magnetic effect on an aluminum disc attached to a pointer that is resisted by a wound tiny diameter of music wire...

I open the metronome video on my laptop connected to my wifi network and bring it outside and start the bike. You can either try to adjust the idle to match the metronome, or change the metronome video to a different speed to try to see what rhythm your bike is playing....
 
In 50 years of ownership of my Norton I have only used a timing light once in the early days, and yet my Norton runs sweet in the way I tune my Norton, static timing then using my eyes, ears and hands to do the rest, my Norton has always ran great doing it my way as well the ones I worked on for others.

Ashley
 
batrider said:
I like the idea of the tach/strobe. Last time I timed the Norton my wife was in charge of the throttle control and calling out tach readings. I had to work fast as she was rapidly losing interest...
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You are lucky she even tried to help!My wife doesn’t even like being in the garage.
Mike
 

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